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I am forwarding this important note I saw in our inbox today:

Hi everyone!

Are you tired of folks giving you a hard time just because of the software you use to create your images? Do you feel your images are not fairly considered for Daily Deviations just because you do not model your own content from scratch? Are you tired of hearing people say you create "push button" art? If any of this rings a bell, we have a proposal we would like to share with you which gives Poser, Daz studio, Bryce and Vue artists an opportunity to have their voice heard.

Please take a sec to review the following proposal. We feel it's time the 3D category here on DA should be split as to accurately represent the forms of art that are being created. In all fairness to not only the Traditional 3D artists but to artist's such as yourself who use different applications and techniques to create your images. We feel our group of artists would be more fairly represented if we were to be separated into our our own category.

If you agree with the proposal, please forward this to your fellow artists and friends so their voices may be heard as well. And forward a copy of the letter to our 3D Moderator Cymae and $Moonbeam13. If we stand together and make our request clear, we may have a good chance of making these changes happen. This is a great opportunity for our group to finally get the recognition we deserve.

Thanks so much for your time and consideration! Lets take this opportunity to show them who we really are! Yay!

Suzi (Kachinadoll)
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Darshag Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2015
3D art, Studio art is an artform which in my view surpasses the Traditional artform. It involves so many elements that Traditional artists do not have to consider. A 3D artist has to be a jack of all trades including photographer, mathematician, lighting engineer right through to a draper come tailor. It involves so much effort to create that final image, that for other artists to claim it's push button art, I would say is borne out of ignorance. Most just don't have a clue. I know as I was one of them, being a photographer and traditional artist I tried my hand at 3D art and haven't looked back. My photography is mostly for background images and I hardly touch a crayon or paintbrush anymore. 3D art is so much more fun.
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Simdaddy Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
Haven't learned to use a Poser program. But, if photography is art, then DAZ/POSER is more so. Photographers don't make models, they shoot pictures of them. Heck, they don't necessarily dress them, put make-up on them, etc. They have them pose, and are responsible for the lighting.
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Xelestial Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
People unfortunately don't seem to agree with this even though it is very much the same thing. If you have permission to use the works, then the artform itself is not different from photo-manip or photography.
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Zamboniman Featured By Owner May 8, 2012
This is still nothing more than paving the way for petty elitist bullshit.
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Nakiloe Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012
Great Idea! I always compare what we do with photography or movies. Do photographers create their models? Aren't they artists?

(And for those who still believe in the "make art button", maybe we should have a challenge using the button Daz gave us for april fools day? :P )
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HeartOfDeath Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Professional Filmographer
perfect you got my support
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CheekyTigress Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To be quite honest I entirely disagree with such a division. Art is art. Simple as. If dA is going to start pigeon holing different genres of art just because one group isn't happy, then I'll be finding a new site to post my art. I have no intention of being pigeon holed in a high school clique manner.
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Xelestial Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
They already show extreme bias against people who use any render or model that isn't their own, credit given or not. It really is getting time to be finding another place to post our art when it has gotten to this point. I do feel bad that some people have to be competeting with art in a certain category that they did from scratch against professional art, so that is the only reason why I would agree with this.
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ancestorsrelic Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, if you have the "wrong" Admin in your favorite category, you are lost... Better start making Manga/Anime and Ponies ;-)
Just kidding, but the focus in 3D lays on the maximal realistic modeling and rendering of objects at this time. Technically perfect, but boring. I want to tell stories with my works, i see myself as a kind of "Roger Corman of 3D", making action-monster-works with my limited equipment ( i have no money for buying C4D, Mental Ray and other software in the $2000 and up category... and i ask me, how many artists here on DA got their versions from Pirate Bay ;-) ), nothing that would ever got a DD, but faves and downloads show me, that there are fans of my works out there, that the think that made my happy!
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Kjherstin Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
I couldn't agree with you more, I bet you 90% or more have an illegal copy of software :P but still they have that superiority that their art is more worthy of a DD
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ancestorsrelic Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, any user of Poser/DAZ (or XNALara) admit that they use this software and premade models/content, but i already saw some works on DA with a ultracool "Using 3dsMax, C4D, MentalRay, modeled in zbrush, Blender and Maya" in the artists comments and recognized some modified, but well known DAZ-Models and premade objects from Rosity, ShareCG and RDNA in it :rofl:
Since then i give a s..t on the DDs, the admins who choose them and especially on the elitist 3D-artists who ranting about DS/Poser and lie and fake at the same moment in their "completely from scratch" self modeled works!
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JFGemini107 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Regardless of what category it's in, people are still going to comment about how "DAZ/Poser art isn't real art". The only reason that a split might be beneficial is for daily deviation purposes, and everyone's already said everything about it so I won't add any more.
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Kjherstin Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
:(
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formatela Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
As most other people have said, a new structure for the 3D world on DA has already been discussed and is probably already underway.
I just hope we don't end up getting called 3D manipulators, which was one of the proposals.
Apart from that, I'm not too bothered about what happens.
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alltheoriginalnames Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
This was brought up almost a month ago March 7th here: [link]
And a follow up here on March 14th: [link]

The community already addressed this to ^Cymae, and she posted numerous discussion blogs and polls as a result.
So sending anymore notes at this point is just going to be counterproductive.

So whether you are for or against the suggested change, simply go to the blogs and share your opinion there.
I would not suggest sending anymore notes to any deviantART Gallery Moderators.
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KassidiKeys Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012   Digital Artist
This was brought up a few weeks back, discussed in great detail, and, if I remember correctly, a split with very specific categories was discussed, and is in the works.

I just wanted to say that flooding the 3D Moderator's inboxes with the same message over and over and over, when the issue has already been discussed and somewhat worked out seems counter productive and flat out rude. It's like locking the barn once the cows are out. All a late massive letter forwarding campaign is going to do now is slow down their ability to bring about those changes already planned for AND take up time they could be using to moderate daily deviations.
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3dstage Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
I agree, the previous thread on this topic was one of the most active I've seen on dA, certainly everyone had ample opportunity to weigh in with their thoughts and opinions. I think a very good compromise was worked out. As the saying goes you can't please all the people all the time.

I may not always agree 100% with Cymae's choices for DD's but I do feel she is trying very hard to support all 3D artists equally. If we are to flood her inbox it should really be to say thank you.
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alltheoriginalnames Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
:thumbsup: agreed
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Seigmann Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally I don't think there should be this kind of division. Art is art; regardless of the tools you use. Is somebody who makes sculptures from junk criticized for not making the junk first? Is a photographer criticized for not having created what or who he takes a picture of?

I'm not very good at drawing, so I let my computer do some of the heavy lifting for me. I still have to get the poses, expressions, props and lighting right. Then there's the all the post-render work. I'm not claiming my pictures are great art, but they are art.
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3dstage Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
I have done a lot of work with Poser/Daz content as well as modeling things from scratch, so I have a good view of both sides. The bottom line is that I feel it's the finished work that counts most.

It's fairly clear to me that Cymae chooses DD's based on overall quality and technique. It bothers me when some either judge all art as being substandard just because of the software used. However on the other side it also bothers me that some feel they need their own category. It's like they are asking for a handicap or something. I think that all 3D art should be judged by the same standard, again that being the final product.
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KassidiKeys Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012   Digital Artist
I've always felt that it's the end result that matters too. I mean, most people who create art don't built their brushes or make their paper from scratch first (most people), most musicians don't first build a guitar before writing the song, and most digital artists had no part in making the tools they use (the computer, programming Photoshop and such) so the fact that we don't necessarily make our tools before we use them to create art shouldn't matter either.
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Zamboniman Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
Do whatever you want. I'm not even a contributor on this group. And now I deffenatly won't be. This sort of decision, albiet made with the best of intentions, is only going to be an invitation for the Elitists that infect Henti-foundry like the disease they are.

PUSH BUTTON FOREVER!
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celticarchie Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
No. We don't all agree on this. Because it's pandering to the art-snob bullies out there that call our work as being sub-art, it's validating there claims that our art is not 'real' art and should be shoved into another category where no one ever goes.

This their problem, if they don't like what we make and what we use to make it. Then they don't have to look at it. There is this marvellous device in front of them called a mouse, they can use that not to look at the art that offends them. It's the same for anyone who has a gripe against photography, nudity, violence, horror, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, photo-manipulations, cartoons, they don't have to look at it.

They have the power to change the channel. There is no need for them to bully us into accepting an change of category.
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Peken Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well said!
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celticarchie Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
Thanks. :)
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3dstage Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
This was already discussed at great length about a month ago. This proposal was the outcome:

[link]
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spawndon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
I don't know about this, but a split can be considered.
however it should be kept in mind, that a fellow poser artist, :iconisikol: has many DD's in his gallery.
even :iconhera-of-stockholm: has some DD's.

The thing to be considered is that DAZ, poser and vue are not meant for just getting props into a scene and cramming them together, but to create art.
And this applies even to the lowest level of Daz and poser artists, who are just learning to use the software
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Ecathe Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I totally agree too :nod:
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ExGemini Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree :nod:
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jamminwolfie Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Cymae is actually already working on the idea of the split, just not certain how, as people had mixed ideas on what our category would be as well as sub categories for both 3D image creators and modelers. Don't know the update on what's being done though. Never heard of Moonbeam13 either, didn't know we had 2 3D moderators.

And thanks for bringing this up :) Yes, I too am tired of the sly remarks heard from puny modelers and would like to make our "roads" separate so they wouldn't have to "run into" us :)

...wolfie
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bossie-boots Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist
You have my support hugs lou x
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CyprithTheCat Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I thought that discussion was a few weeks ago? :O
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alltheoriginalnames Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2012
A month ago actually ;)
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